r/worldnews • u/hazard_water • 7d ago
Russia says three killed, nearly 100 wounded in Ukrainian ATACMS attack on Crimea Russia/Ukraine
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-three-killed-nearly-100-wounded-ukrainian-atacms-attack-crimea-2024-06-23/1.1k
u/64-17-5 7d ago
If I remember correctly Ukraine warned tourists in Crimea for a long time ago. In a video too.
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u/nagrom7 7d ago
They've also literally been striking Crimea pretty frequently for the last year or two. It almost seems like every other week there's a new strike against a target in Crimea. Hell there's loads of footage of past strikes taken by people on these beaches. Anyone who is pretending this came out of nowhere is either lying or a fucking moron.
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u/Njorls_Saga 7d ago
I remember when Ukraine absolutely whacked the Black Sea Fleet HQ and people were just strolling around. If you can’t leave then for God’s sake use common sense.
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u/liito-orava1 7d ago edited 7d ago
I wonder what the actual target of the missiles was - were there military assets nearby? People staying in annexed Crimea are definitely putting them and their children at risk.
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u/Njorls_Saga 7d ago
Sevastopol was founded as the HQ for the Russian Black Sea Fleet in 1783. It’s been a major military base since. It’s full of military targets.
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u/SelectiveEmpath 7d ago
They’d be a lot safer back in Russia
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u/zenlume 7d ago
76.4% Russians, 12.7% Native Tatars and 7.7% Ukrainians according to a 2021 census.
That doesn't take into account tourists, which would be more Russians.
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u/SpartanFishy 7d ago
That’s ethnicity. Not citizenship. Russia isn’t an ethnostate, and Russians live in other countries as well. Many Crimean Russians are Ukrainian by birth.
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u/sgrams04 7d ago
GTFO of Crimea then.
You shot the missiles down over a crowded beach during an active war you started. You are to blame.
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u/P1xelHunter78 7d ago
And they’ve been active in trying to get people to vacation there even with the ongoing war. At this point I think they’re using tourists in Crimea as a human shield.
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u/Cobble23 7d ago
Of course, that is what terrorists do. Russia only learns from the best.
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u/fortisvita 7d ago
Russia only learns from the best.
Oh, please. Russia is the one that teaches this stuff.
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u/Chief_Mischief 7d ago
The Soviets deployed penal battalions at the literal worst of the action in WWII. Convicts or captured deserters would run through minefields to clear them for the troops. Russia is just continuing the tradition of viewing people as expendable. Case in point: Vovchansk is being fought entirely with infantry despite having access to armored vehicles
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u/fortisvita 7d ago
To be fair, Ukraine has been laying waste to Russia's armor with drones so it's not surprising they keep them back. Although there is an absolute disregard towards troops' lives.
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u/Chief_Mischief 7d ago edited 7d ago
Sure, but you would think if you're fighting a defender who has drones you can't effectively counter, you'd retreat and regroup. Sending infantry to attack defenders who have the ability to bomb them from the air also does not seem like a wise strategic decision.
At least according to the article, Russia has the capability to build or restore up to 1000 APCs or IFVs a year, and they lost at least 288 in the month of May alone. To lose over a quarter of your annual production capacity in a month is staggering. Makes total sense why they'd be more careful with their vehicles, just not the decision to continue to advance with unsupported infantry.
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u/Emu1981 7d ago
Sure, but you would think if you're fighting a defender who has drones you can't effectively counter, you'd retreat and regroup.
This would only be tactically sound if you actually cared about the lives of your soldiers. If you don't care then you just keep sending wave after wave of soldiers in the hopes that some survive and can hunker down near Ukrainian lines without being discovered and killed. When you have enough soldiers hunkered down then you get them to go storm the Ukrainian positions. Rinse and repeat until you have taken the positions (or have run out of soldiers).
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u/Chief_Mischief 7d ago
This would only be tactically sound if you actually cared about the lives of your soldiers
Yes, hence why the irrational choice to toss conscripts into a meat grinder actually makes sense in this case based on studying Russia/USSR military history and the blatant disregard for human life
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u/TricksterPriestJace 7d ago
This is known as the Zapp Brannigan maneuver. Send so many troops their carcasses form a meat shield around the road. Then drive your armored vehicles through the area covered by the meat shield and clog the enemy ATGM positions with wreckage.
Once the Ukrainians run out of ammo you win!
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u/OakTreader 7d ago
Really?! You mean to tell us that there are terrorists that hide behind human shields!?!?!
[Shocked pikachu face]
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u/Jugales 7d ago
They want Russian people moving there in general, population replacement is a primary goal to retain Crimea. It’s a genocide loophole; removing population from an area is a form of genocide, diluting the existing population with your own is not.
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u/Ceegee93 7d ago
It’s a genocide loophole;
They don't care about "genocide loopholes", they're outright committing genocide openly by taking Ukrainian children and putting them in Russian families.
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u/kerbalsdownunder 7d ago
The have a long history of doing that. A lot of the former eastern bloc had it happen. Estonia still has a large number Russian transplants
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u/shoeman22 7d ago
Maybe voluntarily vacationing in an active war zone wasn't such a great idea after all.
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u/Paschalls_Law 7d ago
At this point I think they’re using tourists in Crimea as a human shield.
Supporting Putin suddenly intensifies across the popular subreddits.
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u/EnormousChord 7d ago
“People keep getting killed in this war we started.” It’s an incredible position to take.
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u/nagrom7 7d ago
Also who the fuck is chilling on a beach in occupied territory during an active war? It's not like this is the first time Ukraine has attacked Crimea or anything, if you haven't got the message yet, that's on you.
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u/radred609 7d ago
I'd imagine it's some combination of local residents who don't have the ability to just up and leave, and russian tourists who believed the official government line that Crimea is a totally safe holiday destination.
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u/andiamohere 7d ago
This beach is really popular with locals. This time of the year it would normally be 50/50 locals and tourists, but this year it's probably 70/30 as there aren't that much tourists as usual.
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u/criipi 7d ago edited 7d ago
It's not that they merely shot the missiles over a crowded beach. That's where the Russians literally place their military hardware.
https://twitter.com/auto_glam/status/1804869425092313124
(Though my understanding is that this radar in particular was not the one that was targeted)
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u/Ashjaeger_MAIN 7d ago
Tbf the people going to the fucking beach in a warzone are even more to blame than the russian army
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u/Syssareth 7d ago
I mean, no, the Russian army holds 99% of the blame since it's entirely because of them that it even is a warzone.
...But it isn't the smartest idea, to say the least, to go to the beach in a warzone.
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u/LetsGetNuclear 7d ago
Lots of military aircraft and shit blowing up. Sounds like my idea of a good time.
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u/CosmicCuntCritter 7d ago
Imagine the savings though!
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u/Osiris32 7d ago
Three bedroom beach house with a hot tub for 70 rubles a night! It would be stupid NOT to take such a deal!
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u/andiamohere 7d ago
Okay, I just had to check and the only 3br house in vicinity is 14K a night, which is around $160. Still not that expensive.
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u/NinjaCaviar 7d ago
Reminds me of that guy who books vacations to destinations that have recently suffered terrorist attacks
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u/JustADutchRudder 7d ago
If you can get a sweet picture of a jet exploding mid flight. Probably make like 6 bucks off that from someone.
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u/Droom1995 7d ago
There are videos of stuff blowing up in Crimea next to the beaches from 2022, and from 2023. And yet people go to those beaches again and again.
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u/Mondelieu 7d ago
idk why no one said this yet, but the air alarms in Sevastopol that normally sound in such a situation were inactive as the russians didn't care (or didn't have time) to enable them, so the population ended up not knowing of the attack.
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u/Fayi1 7d ago
Have you considered that maybe a bunch of people that go there are locals?
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u/Snaccbacc 7d ago
Russia doesn’t give a fuck about its civilians. They are clamouring for a way to blame the US and paint America/NATO/the West as the big bad wolf.
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u/turrettes 7d ago
The Russian Defence Ministry said four of the U.S.-delivered Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) missiles, equipped with cluster warheads, were shot down by air defence systems and the ammunition of a fifth had detonated in mid-air.
deliberate missile attack on the civilians of Sevastopol
Sir, pick one
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u/Osiris32 7d ago
Well, see, since Russia deliberately attacks civilian targets in Ukraine, they assumed that Ukraine does the same thing. Not that Ukraine might have legit military targets to go after.
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u/Popinguj 7d ago
Belbek airfield is literally a bit further north from that beach, so I'm pretty sure it was the intended target.
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u/ivosaurus 7d ago edited 7d ago
deliberate missile attack on the civilians of Sevastopol
What's funny is they say this with a straight face as if they haven't been deliberately attacking Ukrainian civilians with missiles in their home towns for the last two years
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u/fapsandnaps 7d ago
Russian in charge of the AA guns when presented with a trolley dilemma:
"Fuck those civilians"
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u/Particular-Elk-3923 7d ago
Next year I want to take my family to Kabul to show them where I was deployed.
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u/kamahqezzky 7d ago
Take them to Florida.
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u/RazerBladesInFood 7d ago
Hey hey hey. I lived there my whole life and its only slightly worse then kabul. Come on now.
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u/inu_yasha 7d ago
I always found a certain amusement in the "Ski Afghanistan" bumper sticker at the bus stop.
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u/john_moses_br 7d ago
Maybe you shouldn't take your family for a vacaton in a war zone.
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u/Adept-Cash9013 7d ago
And maybe ruzzianz could take their shit and go back to ruzzia?
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u/TheNebulousMind 7d ago
Russian bot army just diverting from the FAB strike on Kharkiv yesterday.
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u/Zeryth 7d ago
This needs to be higher up. Ukraine is getting indiscriminately bombed with precision miunitions that can be very accurate, yet they keep on hitting random crossings in cities, on a daily basis. Thousands of people have died already like this and nobody seems to pay attention to it anymore. But the moment debris falls on a beach where a bunch of people are vacationing on occupied territory it's world news worthy.
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u/TricksterPriestJace 7d ago
It's world news worthy because people are memeing about vacationing in a war zone. Not because we empathize with Russia.
This is still tragic for the locals who were hurt or killed from Putin's war.
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u/jradz12 7d ago
Don't vacation next to military bases
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u/Pkwlsn 7d ago
Seriously. This beach is right next to an airfield that has been struck repeatedly in recent months.
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u/melancholymax 7d ago
If Ukraine had actually targeted that beach with cluster ATACMS there wouldn't be three dead but rather like 95% of the people on that beach would be dead.
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u/Leather-Map-8138 7d ago
End this war in the three easy steps: 1. Exit every inch of Ukraine 2. Pay enormous reparations 3. Turn Putin over to The Hague
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u/TylerDurdensAlterEgo 7d ago
- Return all Ukrainian captives and abducted children
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u/phire 7d ago
Chances are Russia has "lost the records" and would struggle to return all the children, even if they wanted to.
Especially younger children.
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u/MrL00t3r 7d ago
That's for sure. That is job for Ukraine's intelligence.
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u/h4x_x_x0r 7d ago
This war won't be over for a long time but unraveling all the shit that's happened will be a job for a whole other generation...
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u/DeliciousBlacksmith7 7d ago edited 7d ago
Nobody feels sorry for russians willingly vacationing* on stolen ill gotten gains while an active war in happening with ukraine trying to get it back. Absolute lunacy.
*phone keyboard typo
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u/PonkMcSquiggles 7d ago
vacating
Vacationing. Vacating is what we want them to do.
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u/k4Anarky 7d ago
Motherfuckers shot the missile down into a civilian beach and blame Ukraine lol
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u/PriorWriter3041 7d ago
Them rusky tourists are in for a HOT summer, vacationing in an active warzone. Then again, it might still be preferable to NK
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u/Liesthroughisteeth 7d ago edited 7d ago
The problems of being such a notoriously unreliable source of accurate information is, that how can anyone believe you?.... even if there's a small chance you might be telling the truth?
Imagine negociating a peace treaty or an end to this conflict with these people!....LOL
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u/Killjoymc 7d ago
Don't shoot down the missiles, then they won't fall on random stuff. You're welcome, blyatman.
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u/SandmanOV 7d ago
Putin acts like this is an atrocity to be blamed on the US. Literally the same day they sent how many glide bombs and missiles at Ukraine civilian infrastructure? Any news article like this should mention how many civilian attacks by Russians occurred the same day. Ukraine isn't targeting civilians. Russia has been from the beginning.
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u/vinceswish 7d ago
Russian tourists know where they are going. It's annexed territory of Ukraine. Expect to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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u/Ploppyun 7d ago
Why would Sevastopol parents take their kids to the beach when they know that Ukraine is getting missiles from the West now and can and want to send them into that area? Are Russians THAT disconnected? Or kept in THAT much ignorance? Their government isn’t protecting them at ALL.
Was The Kremlin using them as human shields?
Obviously parents wouldn’t bring their kids there if they had the slightest inclination it’d be dangerous.
Just what the hell is going on here?
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u/Durmyyyy 7d ago
Perhaps Russia should get out of Ukrainian territory then they wouldnt get hurt or killed there
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u/Informal_Process2238 7d ago
Wouldn’t be surprised to find out it was russian missiles that killed the people since they have a record of randomly dropping things on their own side and lying about intercepts and everything else under the sun
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u/jojozabadu 7d ago
It's almost like Russia murdered its own citizens by telling them it was safe to holiday in a warzone they've illegally annexed.
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u/Appropriate-Law-6181 7d ago
Stupid is what stupid does. Go to occupied territory expect a box a chocolate.
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u/Jesusaurus2000 7d ago
You need to be extra stupid to go for vacation to a beach near military base of russian terrorists.
Haven't you seen video of russians shooting naval drones with machineguns pointed towards the city? They absolutely do not care about how much people they kill in an attempt to save their weapon (bases/ships).
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u/CyanConatus 7d ago edited 7d ago
As long as Ukraine tries to limit civilian casualties I put 100% the blame for any civilians killed by Ukrainian weapons on Russia as it was their invasion that triggered it.
100% of all civilian deaths on the hands of Russia. This includes both Ukrainian and Russian civilians
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u/tampereenrappio 7d ago
"Russia says" is all anyone has to know to stop reading any further
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u/TenTonCloud 7d ago
I think this article is a perfect situation for acknowledging why Ukraine has not yet destroyed the Kerch Bridge.
For whatever insane reason, tons of Russians still visit Crimea for holiday, the summertime specifically being a big draw. If for example, Russians had no bridge available, very few would likely bother traveling to Crimea surely due to how bad the situation would seem if that glorious bridge were destroyed. Plus who wants to wait for the ferry.
Instead.. what if the bridge were to be destroyed at the peak of the summer season? There is still ample time for Ukraine to continue picking off anti-air units across the peninsula, and it doesn’t seem to be enough to stop Russians from coming to visit.
Should Ukraine time their strike on the Kerch Bridge so as to have as many Russian tourists (notably wealthy enough and local enough Russians to enjoy a holiday in Crimea) trapped there as possible, Russia will suddenly have itself an incredibly massive political crisis on its hands.
Crimea is effectively an island for the average civilian when the bridge is removed due to the land route through the mainland still being in what most would consider an active warzone. The ferry will be available, but something as dramatic as a strike on the bridge with a likely combination of strikes across Crimea would trigger a mass exodus event that would require tons of supervision by Russia for managing the fleeing tourists. Even worse, those Russians who have made the peninsula their home will be forced to make a choice as the food and water dries up. The “unsinkable aircraft carrier” becomes a humanitarian liability for Russia in one fell swoop.
It’s one thing to have the headline that the pride of Putin was destroyed in a bombing raid everyone has been surprised hasn’t happened yet. It’s another when you have thousands of Russians suddenly thrown into a chaotic event that can return home and make that headline feel very very visceral.
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u/notmyfirstrodeo2 7d ago
Sorry but why the fuck are there russians on holiday in a war zone next to a military base.
Sorry but those people put themselves in danger.
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u/BlueInfinity2021 7d ago
Every death in this war is on Russia. They started this war and they could end it by leaving Ukraine.
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u/Adept-Cash9013 7d ago
❗️Important❗️
We remind you that the Ukrainian authorities and the Ukrainian military command often called on Crimeans to refrain from visiting beaches, resort facilities near military installations of the Russian Federation, and crowded places located far from any Russian military installations in annexed Crimea.
Today's tragedy in Uchkuevka is the result not only of the work of the crooked Russian air defense, but also of the carelessness of citizens who forget that there is a war going on.
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u/Lumpy_Yogurtcloset71 7d ago
To be honest who cares? They are Russians. Russians are the 21st century Nazis. The only way this war ends sooner is once large populations in Russia really feel what it is to be at war, to have people in the large cities have their children shipped off to the front lines and then stop supporting the slaughter of innocent people in Ukraine. You don't show sympathy or mercy to terrorists...and Russia is a terrorist organisation...it is not a country
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u/MechaFlippin 7d ago
im sure all those wounded and killed were pregnant children nuns
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u/gruese 7d ago
Probably carrying puppies, too.
Why would the Ukrainians do this to those poor innocent Russian pacifists (and their cute dogs)? Literally no possible reason.
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u/10poundballs 7d ago
What were these Russians doing in Crimea anyway? It’s not a safe time for vacations in Ukraine
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u/GoalFlashy6998 7d ago
So it's the United States & Ukraine fault, for the war Russia initiated! What kind of messed up logic is that, Russia illegally seized the Crimea 2014 and fomented a rebellion in a couple breakaway provinces in the east of Ukraine, then in 2022 outright invades the Ukraine; but Ukraine defends itself with weapons acquired from the United States, but somehow both are fault for Russian actions. Why are there Russian civilians at a beach in an active war-zone, in an illegally occupied and annexed area of Ukraine? Russia is clearly reaching for culprits, in a war it started and bare's responsibility for any actions carried out in response to its hostile and terroristic actions in its war in Ukraine.
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u/Naduhan_Sum 7d ago
I am repeating this for the 1000th time but media outlets simply won’t listen.
Ukraine is not attacking. Ukraine is defending itself. Russia could end this war in 30 seconds by simply stopping the attacks and going back home.
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u/Adept-Mulberry-8720 7d ago
So, if we’re responsible for this cause Kyiv used our missles then when Russia uses North Korean or Chinese military supplies then we can blame them? Crazy! The blame is on Putin’s blood stained hands. He started this war……and he’s losing.
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u/TruthHurts899 7d ago
Shame…. Anyways good job Ukraine for defending your sovereign right and a big ole suck on that Russia
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u/Natural_Rise_6474 7d ago
You started the war. Though I feel bad I just regret it was not you killed putin.but stop the war or it may yet be.
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u/sionnach_fi 7d ago
The Russians shot missiles down over an area in use by civilians. Ukraine did not target civilians with ATACMS.