r/democrats • u/POTUS-Harry-S-Truman • 2d ago
You guys need to stop saying that Biden needs to drop out. Discussion
A party dropping their nominee in any race rarely benefits said party and is at the very least a huge risk. This is NOT the kind of election where we should be taking that kind of risk, regardless of how necessary it may seem.
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u/GeminiSixX 2d ago
I’d vote for Joe Biden’s cadaver propped up in a chair before I’d vote for Donald Trump
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u/AnonymousJoe35 2d ago
That might be exactly what you're voting for on election day.
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u/genericnewlurker 2d ago
I don't see a problem with it when the alternative is the Mango Mussolini. I'd take the rotting skeleton of Richard Nixon over Trump.
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u/MuadDib1942 2d ago
Nixon at least knew the inportance of protecting the environment.
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u/rhydonthyme 2d ago
The problem is most voters don't think this way.
A lot of people just aren't going to turn up now and that's bad for Biden.
I'm afraid this version of Trump will win against this version of Biden if he isn't forced out soon.
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u/genericnewlurker 2d ago
I think it's a bit early to panic like this. Obama bombed his first debate with Romney and the media was sounding the alarm bells then. It drives clicks. Biden was already better today on the campaign trail.
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u/imsowhiteandnerdy 2d ago
I also don't have a problem with this... we have a process in place in this country for what happens if a sitting POTUS passes away. The way I think about it is we're not just voting for Biden per se, we're voting for a Biden administration.
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u/evidentlynaught 2d ago
We are electing principals and ideals not just a man. A cabinet, appointees, judges.
Not a speed talking bullshitter.
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u/DimitriVogelvich 2d ago
As a Democratic leaning swinger. The reality is difficult even if it’s just not Trump.
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u/niceandcold 2d ago
Right, which is a great argument for replacing him now - all voting against Trump will still vote for whoever comes in (Newsom, Harris, Whitmer) and those who are on the fence will vote for a sane, coherent, younger person. This makes sense, replace him now.
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u/Elendel19 2d ago
So you’d also vote for literally any democrat, so why should he stay?
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u/What_the_Pie 2d ago
Trump lies all over and zero republicans say shit. Biden has an underwhelming debate and every dem is saying he needs to drop out. Fuck, how about some fucking solidarity. His performance was underwhelming, his words were factual. Everyone needs to relax. This debate isn’t what will have Biden lose, if he loses, which I don’t think he does. Plus, there’s five months to go in the campaign, polling during the debate is showing people going to Biden, and you think a new nominee with five months campaigning can beat Trump better than Biden? Get the fuck outta here.
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u/SAGELADY65 2d ago
My vote is for Biden and Democrats across the board from this day forward!
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u/Tardislass 2d ago
We can either say the sky is falling or work like hell to get Dems into the Senate and House.
It's seems people love to wallow.
I'm going to go on a hike, watch some football/soccer championships and have a great weekend. I think most others need to take a chill as well.
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u/Ramius117 2d ago
It's really more like 4 months plus a few days. Everyone thinking there is a legitimate chance of changing candidates and winning by November 6th is absolutely delusional.
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u/nocomment3030 2d ago
I can't believe are even discussing this, it's absolutely insane to consider. It would be the ultimate show of weakness.
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u/Slammogram 2d ago
Ok, switching Biden out now will make us lose. That’s not an option. You don’t switch out an incumbent.
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u/Slammogram 2d ago
Dem’s problem is they won’t rally with whoever wins and it fucks us dry in the ass every time. And then they’ll argue that it wasn’t their fault for not voting for him.
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u/Maximum_Future_5241 2d ago
THANK YOU! God, some people around here are made of wet tissue paper!
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u/Emperor_of_His_Room 2d ago
Trump can literally sexually assault people and be a convicted felon and republicans don’t care, Biden has one bad performance and some democrats figuratively and literally shit their pants.
Toughen up folks, this is far from doomsday.
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u/Tardislass 2d ago
I'm old enough to remember Hillary and the pneumonia bit. Dems were pissed she got pneumonia and media and Republicans were giving her grief. Anyone comparing Biden to Hillary in 2016 doesn't realize that Trump 2016 was an unknown except for his TV show which portrayed him as some genius billionaire. 2024 Trump is convict Trump.
People are freaking human and have sickness and ill health. Hell Trump got Covid and almost died.
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u/vikingprincess28 2d ago
This. The gaslighting is off the charts.
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u/BuyStocksMunchBox 2d ago
It's not gaslighting. The party needs swing voters, independents, and the base to come out and vote. A performance like last nights is going to hand trump the presidency, and a ton is at stake. What do you think people are seeing all over on instagram and facebook? Quick videos of Biden looking completely lost and mouth agape. That's not what wins elections.
We need a win this election. The supreme court has already done so much damage, and we can't lock in another batch of crazies in it for 20 years.
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u/daniel_22sss 2d ago
I dont understand why having speeches is more important than governing the actual country. Biden did a lot of good things in his presidency.
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u/amandalucia009 2d ago
Yup. They stick with Mafia Don NO MATTER WHAT. I am sticking with Biden and I’m gonna Stan
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u/immortalfrieza2 2d ago
It's obvious that the "BIDEN WITHDRAW!!!" nonsense are just a bunch of trolls coming out of the woodwork because even though Biden won the debate by any metric one could name, he didn't hit Trump with ziggers for 90 minutes straight.
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u/What_the_Pie 2d ago
This is the absolute best take. We wanted a “shut up, man” from 2020. It’s a fair desire to want to verbally smack Trump. That didn’t happen, so that means Biden lost. Fucking guy is spry for 81, can that be the gawddamn narrative.
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u/Extinction-Entity 2d ago
his words were factual
I really liked the part where he looked at the entire country and said, very matter-of-factly, “We finally beat Medicare”
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u/sec713 2d ago
Seriously. Stop letting fascist sympathizers control the conversation. We should be talking about the felon on the other side of the stage who lied his ass off for 90 minutes straight, not to do right by the country, but to save his own ass from criminal prosecution.
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u/lugo213 2d ago
he did multiple times. it just wasn't in the first 10 min. he went after him repeatedly after 1st commercial break #moralsofalleycat
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u/trex360 2d ago
He did talk about the felon. Meanwhile, Jake Tapper and Dana Bash decided Trump’s 34 felonies were an afterthought.
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u/Antimonyandroses 2d ago
He did call Trump a felon. Well he mentioned the felony convictions so same thing I guess.
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u/Hey_Laaady 2d ago
Biden said, "The only one on this stage who is a convicted felon is the man I'm looking at right now."
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u/Geichalt 2d ago
I'm criticizing your judgement to the point that if you honestly believe it's a good idea I question your motivation.
Dropping a successful incumbent (the only politician to beat Trump btw) 5 months from the election to run another random Democrat (because y'all hate Kamala too for whatever reason) is literally guaranteeing the fascists take over. Are you so unimaginative that you can't see the very obvious spin that the GOP and their media apparatus would put on that?
Plus most of the doomsaying about Biden is coming from the Democrats, interviews of independents are showing much less of an impact than these crying posts would have you believe. You'll lose those voters and gain like none.
So sure, I guess it's possible you believe this in good faith, but I honestly struggle to see how anyone that actually wants to beat Trump thinks dropping Biden is a good idea. He already has the campaign apparatus in place across the country. He also has a successful record to run on. He already has name recognition and is moving up on the polls. It's much much MUCH easier to just step up and support Biden than the alternative.
So get off your high horse of being offended and do a better job supporting your position, because right now it's not making a lick of sense.
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u/DotAccomplished5484 2d ago
I am not saying that the President needs to drop out. What I am is very sad and disheartened and I would like a realistic and tangible plan to overcome the huge setback that we experienced last night.
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u/Comfortable_Act9136 2d ago
To be fair I don’t think it’s too much of a setback, the election is in November, by that time most people would have probably forgotten about this
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u/imsowhiteandnerdy 2d ago
Most American voters have the attention span of a fruit fly, so in essence I agree with this.
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u/TheOriginalHelldiver 2d ago
What a great plan, just pretend it didn’t happen and hope people forget. I’m sure that will work and won’t lead to Trump winning the tight swing states.
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u/TheJumboman 2d ago
People learned absolutely nothing from Hillary, it's infuriating.
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u/Tardislass 2d ago
This. If Biden can be how he was in NC today, this will pass. And they also need to talk up Kamala Harris as she is the most qualified to take over if the worst happens.
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u/genericnewlurker 2d ago
Bingo. By the time the election rolled around, everyone had forgotten Obama losing the first debate to Romney
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u/ZingZing4321 2d ago
Yes, stop! I'm just going to say that democracy is at stake. Vote Biden2024
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u/Living_Astronomer_97 2d ago
You’re wrong. You’re speaking to people who understand anyone is better than trump. It after last night Biden is 100 percent not beating Trump. They NEED to change if they want a chance otherwise it’s a guaranteed loss
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u/Egad86 2d ago
All last night was concern voters of how Kamala would be president and then the red wave will come rolling in with a vengeance.
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u/BadgersHoneyPot 2d ago
I’m with you. It needs to be said. It was bad last night. The whole world saw it and you can’t undo it.
If he’s indeed a seasoned elder statesman, then what was last night?
I pray he listens and gracefully bows out. Give us somebody to vote for. It will energize the base and maybe even cause Republicans to rethink their choice.
Otherwise, most of us will begrudgingly toe the line and vote Biden 2024. And then hypocritically wonder how Republicans can do the same thing for Trump.
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u/iKangaeru 2d ago
Trump should drop out. The idea that a career criminal conman, rapist and convicted felony fraudster can stand in the national stage and tell dozens of lies for o0 minutes is an insult to decency.
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u/KickooRider 2d ago
The idea that his greatest opponent can stand there and watch him do it is the next greatest insult
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u/f-150Coyotev8 2d ago
Plus, at this point, we might as well be voting for vice presidents since there is a higher than normal chance that either of these candidates won’t survive the next few years.
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u/iNFECTED_pIE 2d ago edited 2d ago
Then you haven’t been paying enough attention. The USA had the strongest economic recovery of any western nation post-pandemic thanks to Biden. He’s tamed inflation and his policies are bringing well paying manufacturing jobs back to America. NATO gained new members and has never been a stronger wall against Russian aggression. He’s gotten 167 billion in student loan debt forgiven giving thousands of Americans relief. He’s also made a huge investment in rebuilding American infrastructure, something Trump promised to do but never did. Let’s not forget his efforts to lower the costs of drugs. He’s an honest man with a heart for the country. He’s earned a second term.
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u/Inevitable-Ad-4192 2d ago
My take, Joe somehow looked and sounded even older than he is. If he really believes Trump will end our democracy, he should put the country ahead of himself and do the right thing. We can all name a dozen Democrats that would’ve shredded Trump last night.
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u/Firetruckpants 2d ago
Someone just has to "Trump" Trump. He's a bully; he can dish it but he can't take it. I wanted so badly for Biden to mock Trump saying everything is "the best ever" or "the worst ever".
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u/waitforsigns64 2d ago
No kidding! On top of that, they need to listen to the words the president SAID. They were truthful, on point, supported by facts and his policies.
The other guy lied non stop in orange facepaint.
Good lord people stop being stupid. This man has a great record to run on for nearly everything I care about.
As a bonus, he believes in democracy. I don't want this to be my last vote.
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u/pwack06 2d ago
The president said “we beat Medicare,” something incoherent about trimesters, illegal aliens killed a woman, and he had a 6 handicap when VP. I listened. And that scared the shit out of me.
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u/Extinction-Entity 2d ago
Careful, they’ll call you a Trump supporter. /s
I cannot believe half the party is vigorously yanking on the fire alarm and the other half has become Biden apologists veering dangerously close to their own version of MAGA.
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u/waitforsigns64 2d ago
That is sadly true. We need to direct them to the speech Biden gave this afternoon. He looks and sounds healthy and vigorous.
Those lights last night made Trump look normal and Biden look like a ghost.
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u/CaveManLawyer_ 2d ago
Yes please stop. I am committed to getting Biden elected this fall. That will not change.
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u/Perfecshionism 2d ago
Which is why we need to nominate someone that is sure to beat him.
Even before last night Biden was within margin of error.
The nominee is chosen at the convention. Which is in seven weeks.
It is insane to me you all want to drink the cool aid and wait for the mother ship
I like Biden. He is among my favorite presidents. Quiet, competent, and compassionate. But what I saw last night convinced me he needs to step aside. Period.
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u/Ornery_Law9727 2d ago
Couldn’t agree more. Biden had a bad night. Stump is a liar and cheap little con man 24/7.
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u/unusualgato 2d ago
Agreed I do not want Trump to win but last night was honestly that bad for Biden. I feel people are being way too optimistic about Biden. I don't really like Kamala but I would have had her up there instead of Biden last night.
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u/SewAlone 2d ago
Yes please do be honest and hammer on about how old he is so that he loses. Because clearly you learned nothing from 2016.
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u/AdamNoKnee 2d ago
I guarantee you the only people saying this are “democrats” wink wink and progressives who never liked Biden in the first place. No intelligent democrat would actually even entertain this unless of course Biden was like Trump and a horrible human. Because you know we don’t worship our political leaders like some parties do….
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u/DrinkYourWaterBros 2d ago
I am not a wink wink Democrat nor am I a Sanders supporter. I voted and volunteered for Hillary enthusiastically and did the same for Biden.
I have a lot of concern. I love Biden as a person. I love his policies and what he did for America. But I do have major concerns that the swing voters are going to see him at that debate and say “no way.”
It’s more than just Biden; we are marching toward authoritarianism, and if we lose this election, we will lose this country. I’m not sure what the path forward is at this point but it’s getting pretty close to be equally as risky to have him on the ticket or not.
I literally could not watch that debate—I had to turn it off. It honestly gave me a panic attack because I could not believe that he was not hitting what he needed to hit. It’s Donald fucking Trump. How is a debate with Donald fucking Trump that difficult? It’s not. It shouldn’t be.
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u/Perfecshionism 2d ago
Bullshit! Bullshit!
Biden has been the most progressive in nearly a century.
Stop lying to yourself and vilifying people who have been watching presidential debates for decades and just witnessed the worst performance they have ever seen.
It was alarming. I woke up and had to take a second to accept it was real and not a bad deal.
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u/thirdLeg51 2d ago
People forget Obama had an awful showing in debate #1 in his re-election campaign
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u/Perfecshionism 2d ago
Obama’s performance was nowhere near as abysmal as Biden’s last night.
It was the worst performance in the history of public presidential debate by a wide margin.
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u/TAU_equals_2PI 2d ago
Here's the major problem with that comparison, which I keep hearing. Everyone recognizes that a 50-year-old man can have a bad day and stumble in a debate performance. He can do better in the 2nd and 3rd debates and convince voters that's all it was. But not an 81-year-old man who already has had prior incidents of appearing mentally frail. Even if Biden performs better from now on, everybody knows that aging doesn't suddenly reverse itself when you're in your 80s.
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u/Tardislass 2d ago
OMG you don't remember the media and Democrats worrying about Obama. People said "hope and change" is finished. How much smarter Romney appeared and how tired Obama looked.
SAME THING. Media talked about Romney as the fresh new candidate...etc.
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u/beaverfetus 2d ago
I’m astounded that people are thinking like you. There is nothing comparable in the performance, Biden looks like he is struggling with basic mentation
Trump is terrible, we cannot let him win this election, the bigger risk is not replacing Biden
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u/Antimonyandroses 2d ago
I don't think it is necessary for Biden to drop out of the race. He stutters. Big deal. This is the choice between a candidate who has no substance and one who does. The republicans are running around saying we need to change our candidate. Why? Trump lied about everything. He blew the dog whistle over immigrants countless times. He did NOT say he would abide by the election results. So Biden misspoke. I will take that over a man who cannot tell the truth and wants to be a dictator. Also he is worried about the suckers and losers remarks coming back to bite him the rear.
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u/SandyPhagina 2d ago
Many are going off the hoarseness of his voice, his general appearance, and the way it seemed as though he wasn't all the way there. However, he was taking continuous notes as the other guy babbled along. He refuted each of the lies. I said it during the debate, the only focus is on his appearance and sound of his voice.
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u/ryuujinusa 2d ago
He's fine. He had a bad day, the NC rally afterwards was proof that the debate was a bad day. Now, I'm not denying we really needed him to be stronger, much stronger, in the debate. But it's (the debate) over and there's literally no way he can drop out at this point. It would mean that the orange, narcissistic, lying felon could just walk in to the White House.
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u/cybercuzco 2d ago
Why should we change our candidate when he has one flaw when the GOP has no issue with a candidate that is flaws held together by other flaws. Someone who literally has done everything that other candidates and officeholders were forced to drop out or resign for.
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u/Extinction-Entity 2d ago
See you in November when Trump beats Biden and everyone’s whining about how “it’s not fair.”
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u/dopef123 2d ago
You change candidates to win. It’s not about who has the most flaws or least. It’s about who will fucking win.
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u/interstatebus 2d ago
Thank you! I’m not saying he did good last night but this late in the game, changing candidates is insanity.
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u/killxswitch 2d ago
You dorks are freaking out over one debate. People will forget this shit in a month. Less.
I am not excited to vote for Biden. But I’ll do it without reservation because of the administration that comes with it and because Trump is a proven evil and incompetent fascist bolstered by evil, competent fascists trying to push Project 2025.
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u/Perfecshionism 2d ago
It was.
You were not the demo he needed to convince.
He needed to convince former Trump voters who were having second thoughts.
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u/thro-uh-way109 2d ago
Spending 4 years and billions in ads boosting pro-Biden narratives and how great of a job he is doing and then panicking and replacing him with someone who couldn’t outpoll him amongst Dems let alone swing voters only a few months from November and essentially saying the entire 4 years of ads and narratives were false and not to be trusted cause “old” is a bad idea? No way /s
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u/11brooke11 2d ago
Biden absolutely should not drop out. It's frankly foolish to think he should.
If for some reason he DID drop out, Kamala Harris would be the only fair alternative at this point and most people calling for Biden to drop out would like that even less.
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u/Mad_Machine76 2d ago
Did Biden have a cold? If he did then kicking him out based on a bad debate caused by a cold seemed incredibly stupid. It would be like kicking Hillary off the ticket when she had pneumonia in 2016.
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u/Greatgrandma2023 2d ago
Biden wasn't the one spewing lies every minute of the debate. He's a man of integrity and experience.
When it comes down to it the people he hires are the ones who do the work. This is the same no matter who's in office.
He had a bad debate. Pull up your big boy pants and quit being snowflakes.
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u/Ok-Stress-3570 2d ago
On top of that, it lets Trump CONTINUE to get away with his lies and cons. 🤷🏼♂️
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u/APuffyCloudSky 2d ago
The vice presidential debate will be a much better day. Whoever she's up against, Kamala will kick their ass.
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u/FloppyObelisk 2d ago
Did you see his North Carolina speech today? Dude was spittin’ fire. It was great. Needed it last night more, but he’s still doing okay
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u/TheKimulator 2d ago edited 2d ago
Ok… I was voting Biden before. I still am. But there needs to be an honest assessment.
Democracy is on the ballot. Depending on the day, it’s only barely winning. He did not look great last night and people are counting on us.