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u/Master-Shaq 3d ago
I once had 36 people watching me kill it on trials of osiris. Highlight of my destiny experience tbh
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u/Everyoneplayscombos 2d ago
Attention is empowering
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u/Mr_YUP 2d ago
its intoxicating too. you start to become someone who does anything to keep and grow that attention. when you don't have it you start becoming like an addict. It's really dangerous and we just don't realize exactly how dangerous.
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u/Slap_My_Lasagna 2d ago
We know exactly how dangerous it is.
People have died for their TikToks. People have gained 300 lbs because eating 15,000 calories meals is the only way some people get the clicks.
We know exactly how dangerous it is, but humans are self-destructive, and smart people breed less than stupid people.
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u/GoOnBanMe 2d ago
Because smart people know how dumb they really are.
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u/DefiantFrankCostanza 2d ago
Yuuuup. It’s truly unsettling coming to the realization that not only are you a fucking idiot, but everyone around you is even dumber.
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u/EasternBlackWalnut 2d ago
When Nostalrius (WoW Private Server) was announced, I luckily streamed the release of the BETA release and had over 300 concurrent viewers. That's a gymnasium of people! I couldn't believe it. I had so much fun.
I didn't keep up with it, unfortunately. I should have! This was years ago and I could be to the point where it could sustain me financially. However... it could have turned me into a pedophile so I think I lucked out anyway.
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u/northeastlife7 2d ago
bro you could have been the next asmongold
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u/EasternBlackWalnut 2d ago
It's possible and it eats me up a little bit.
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u/SaphoStained 2d ago
Why would you want to be a worthless piece of shit that profits off of ignored little kids wasting their entire childhood watching livestreams?
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u/Sigmundschadenfreude 2d ago
Dude messed up. Imagine how many roaches he could have had in his room by now
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u/wishythefishy 2d ago
I remember having like 8 watching mine and I felt like a god. Really makes me miss old school Destiny.
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u/spaceissuperempty 2d ago
Just went flawless - still feels like kinda D1 when at the lighthouse
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u/JPhrog 2d ago
I suck at FPS games on controller (I'm much better with KB and Mouse) so I paid a streamer 5 gifted subs to carry me in ToO Destiny 1. It was pretty cool to have 1000+ viewers watching me suck really bad at PvP but we ended up making it to the lighthouse after multiple attempts thanks to the streamer!
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u/EnkiRise 2d ago
I once got like 300 viewers in halo 5 back when mixer was a thing. Completely chocked in front of everyone. Was doing fine till I saw how many people were watching lol
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u/InevitableFly 3d ago
I don’t even have a single friend. Having even just one person would have me over the moon
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u/Redschallenge 3d ago
I'd rock with you bro
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u/skwolf522 3d ago
Party at Flys house.
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u/SaltyWailord 3d ago
Let's do 4 way halo!
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u/Stoomba 2d ago
Is that some sort of sex thing? /s
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u/MiSsiLeR81 2d ago
There is a ring involved that's for sure.
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u/InformalPenguinz 2d ago
A very very very very very very very large ring... you know what that means wink wink
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u/Lemonic_Tutor 2d ago
Yeah, it’s when you and 3 other people bone while jumping out of an aircraft at high altitude with low opening
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u/Major_Iggy 2d ago
sigh fine I’ll do it… rock and stone?!! Leave no dwarf behind!
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u/WanderingDwarfMiner 2d ago
Rock and Stone everyone!
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u/MoodMaggot 2d ago
Rock and Stone!
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u/real_DoctorOther 2d ago
Rock and Stone to the bone!
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u/dafuccdoyoumean 2d ago
Rock and stone brother!
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u/Me_975 2d ago
This. Id kill to have one person watch despite me being awkward as hell
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u/Skullfurious 2d ago
Work on being entertaining. Even 15 minutes of practice would put you miles ahead of 90% of twitch streamers who end up just sitting there (me)
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u/BowlPotential4753 3d ago
The thing is you are not chilling with them, you are leading the conversation which is entirely different
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u/RatInACoat 2d ago
As the other guy said, depends. I used to do some streaming, and when I tried to lead the conversation and talk about something specific during a stream I'd just get distracted by people in chat. With larger streamers chat is more of a singular entity that brings up more and less relevant topics you can ignore, but smaller streamers can keep track of everyone and every message. The streamer is still the one who has to moderate the conversation when necessary, but it's much more two sided than having one person who sometimes picks out messages from a thousand viewers.
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u/LazyCat2795 2d ago
Yea, the job of a 2-3 viewer streamer, a 10-20 viewer streamer a 100~ viewer streamer and so on, is wildly different sometimes.
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u/Hymnosi 2d ago edited 2d ago
I used to be part of a streaming community that originated prior to twitch (think livestream/justintv era). It started with one person who was entertaining, then a community member set up a website that would list out the people from the same community who were streaming, all under a single chat, using embeds. People would move from stream to stream as a group and maintain the same chatroom.
Once streaming, and more specifically making money from streaming, became more popular it fell apart. Maintaining two separate chats and being entertaining at the same time is tough, and people with a lot more skill at mass entertainment took center stage.
I'm sure the concept can still exist, but it's a bit more difficult now. In theory, discord can replace it, though having to join a voice chat to see video, where it takes over the whole screen, kinda kills it for me. Also, you don't get passive community recruitment like you would with other things, there's a lot of steps involved to get someone into discord and into your stream, versus just clicking a link and viewing it.
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u/Troo_66 3d ago
Not necessarily. It depends on the chat and the streamer. I used to watch a guy where he would mostly play chill games or something he found relaxing like Diablo 2. Most people in the chat knew each other and the conversation would just go around. He doesn't stream much these days, but it's because his life has been busy in a good way, so I'm glad for him.
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u/sycamotree 2d ago
I watch a pro tekken streamer who will read chat in the middle of his games lmao. Mostly just reacting to questions but yeah. He'll have a whole convo while doing some of the toughest tech in the game lol no clue how he does it.
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u/SensitiveAd5962 2d ago
My brother regularly streams to <20 people. At any given time about half of them are in VC.
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u/shidncome 2d ago
It's not 12 people either its like 3 of their friends on phones/pc.
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u/IsThisThingOn69lol 2d ago
leading conversation.... pandering for subs/donations... to-may-toes, to-mah-toes.
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u/Dr_Crendor 2d ago
Nah man, i stream very rarely these days but ive got this dude that comes and hangs out in my chat who totally leads the convo lol. He tells me about his dnd campaigns and honestly it was my favorite part of streaming. I love dnd and i love that he was comfortable sharing all the details about a campaign i knew nothing about, and i was fully invested every time. It really depends on the situation
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u/TheRealJayk0b 3d ago edited 2d ago
LOL I would have been the happiest person if I ever had at least 1 person watching my streams back then xD
Edit: in hindsight it probably would have helped if I played new games.
But rocket League was my fav game. 7 years rocket League....I'm so happy I quit this shit game xD
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u/portirfer 2d ago
I wonder what amount of viewers the median stream has.
Maybe even most streams have zero viewers..? Having even 12 viewers one might already be in a pretty exclusive category in that there are a relatively small percentage having 12 or more viewers.
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u/CasseaYT 2d ago
I believe the metric is if you have 3 viewers you are in the top 10% of streams, anything above like seven or eight is the top 1%. But the top 1% is around 40k people at twitches peak, to be fair
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u/Jaiz412 2d ago
I know that for YouTube, even just a few hundred subscribers is enough to put you in the top 50%, since most people make accounts to watch and comment, rather than create and grow.
Wouldn't be surprised if Twitch has a similar thing going on.
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u/Hoyle33 3d ago
Look at Dr Disrespect, he’s got thousands of viewers and makes millions, and that doesn’t stop him from cheating on his wife or wanting to talk to minors
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u/steploday 3d ago
Not like us.
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u/Practical_Secret6211 3d ago
Certified
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u/Verbose_Code 3d ago
Lover boy?
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u/jeef60 3d ago
certified
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u/aospfods 2d ago
it's weird how people can think that having 12 viewers on twitch could be the same as hanging out and chilling with 12 people, social media really ruined some peoples mindsets
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u/Neurotrace 2d ago
It's not quite the same but at that scale, it basically is a big group chat
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u/Trimyr 2d ago
It is indeed, and I like it better. Huge streams are great if you're exceptional at what you're doing, as no one cares about the comments. Smaller streams though, people start to know each other - "Hey. Welcome back Trimyr. Did you say you were visiting your parents? How was that?" - all while trying to share their fun.
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u/WeevilWeedWizard 2d ago
It's what we call parasocial relationships and they're wicked cool and not at all a worrying trend of modern entertainment.
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u/Imaginary-Nebula1778 2d ago
I am too old to understand these things buy can you make money with 12 people or you need as many subscribers as possible?
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u/TrackLabs 2d ago
12 people wont donate as much, if anything, compared to having multiple thousand people. And no one sponsors someone with a aufience of 12 people.
So if you want to make money, 12 isnt anything worth it.
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u/avwitcher 2d ago
And THAT is why people demean streamers with so few viewers, because many of them do it as their job despite only making $200 a month from it
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u/GrammatonYHWH 2d ago
Nobody's doing a 12 viewers stream as their job. You can't live off $200/month. They are doing it as their hobby. That's why trashtalking them is dumb. They are having fun, and the $200/month is a bonus.
It's fantastic if you ask me. Making $200/month from what you love doing is exceptional. How many people can say they make $200/month playing football or going to bars with their friends?
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u/LordGalen 2d ago
You also aren't making $200/mo off 12 viewers. Last month, I had about 20 subs and made like $40 between that and the scraps of ad revenue.
Streaming is not a job unless you have enough viewers to get sponsorships.
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u/notmyfirstrodeo2 2d ago
There are streamers with 100 viewers who streame almost every day, but still have some other job.
Streaming income is more to just put into savings or buy dumb shit for many people.
But same time with constant 100-200 viewers, who subscribe, watch ads etc + have yt following and you can go full time.
Ofcourse streaming full time is a job like any other and i couldn't do it.
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u/Infinite_Ad749 2d ago
I average 10-14 viewers for my streams.
I made $50 in 4 months, and I've also made $150 in a month. So the answer is yes, but not anything that will pay the bills anytime soon. I mainly use the money to buy more games to stream.
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u/ElGosso 2d ago
Check out DareDrop, I watch a streamer about your size who uses them a lot
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u/Infinite_Ad749 2d ago
I'll look into it, I don't usually mess with programs like this as it's less about making money for me and I usually hate gimmicky streamers. Thanks for the tip.
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u/angriest_man_alive 2d ago
And to further put things into perspective, I think I averaged 9 or so viewers… and that puts you in about the top 5% of Twitch.
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u/AquaDracon 2d ago
Think of them like street performers. Street performers play music and do magic tricks for dozens of people, but only a few people are willing to toss them a dollar every now and then.
Streamers use this exact same "tipping" system, except most of their audience tends to be kids with more free time but zero income; so compared to street performers, an even smaller proportion of their viewers is even capable of giving them any money at all. The streamers that are moderately successful depend on a few generous and loyal fans for most of their income.
Streamers can also opt to play short ads during occasional breaks for their non-paying viewers, but that'll pay pennies unless they have hundreds or thousands of viewers watching. And streamers with 12 viewers won't use ads because that'll drive away the few viewers they managed to get in the first place.
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u/BambiToybot 2d ago
You'd honestly be surprised how many 30-40 year Olds are just on Twitch to chat.
There's a few solid community of 30-40 year old streamers with audiences of similar ages. They also restrict their channel to 18+ despite not being lewd, so if there are underage people and they speak up, they get kicked out.
Twitch can be a wonderful third place for older nerdy adults who struggle to find a social life.
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u/AntiPiety 2d ago
The lowest amount of viewers I’ve seen on a channel that has a high enough subscriber count that could realistically be a full time job is about 200 - 300. Some audiences are more generous than others, there are always exceptions, but I think 200 is a decent rough bottom end approximation
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u/Ne0n_Beemz 3d ago
I used to work on an old RTS map, was a small community but I appreciated every single one of them.
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u/WanderlustTortoise 2d ago
I’d be so happy to have 12 people in my Twich chat. All I get is bots asking me to pay them to fill my chat with even more bots
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u/Videowulff 2d ago
I am a smaller streamer who averages 2-3 people on usual days and we just usually hang out and chat movies, cartoons, anime, and whatever else is on our mind. It's hanging out with friends to me.
I stream obscure and weird games Games like Rule of Rose, A Good Life, Killer is Dead, Haunting Ground, Abbadox, etc. We do play the occasional mainstream game, esp if we've not played them before (New Vegas, Halo 1, Adventure of Link, etc)
This year has us dedicating a majority of 2024's games to JRPGs. We've done Secret of Mana, Tale Concerto, Rhapsody A Musical Adventure 2, FF12 Zodiac Age, and Skies of Arcadia Legends so far!
You know what I really like? When we do one of these obscure/weird/not as popular games and get new followers who love those games but never/rarely see others stream them. Love seeing how excited they get talking about these games as we stream them especially considering that most of these experiences are our first time playing it. So they love telling me their favorite moments, characters, or waiting for my reaction during specific events.
I know I won't get a following by playing these games. I know I could possibly see a higher boost in traffic if I did more PvP games, or more mainstream games, or followed the trends but I'd lose interest in them eventually.
I rather continue playing the ones that provide me a unique experience - good or bad. Hopefully newcomers will join the fun and share their stories of the first time that played these games. If we get an audience, awesome, if not - still gonna engage the void and entertain the best I can.
It's all about having fun and clearing my backlog. And discovering new games that I'd normally never experience. It's all about the ride.
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u/thinkB4WeSpeak 3d ago
I mean I leave twitch running while I sleep so someone's viewer is sleeping. I'm getting my money's worth out of my ISP.
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u/JackMasterN1 2d ago
So you are spending additional money (for electricity or whatever) to extract worth out of money you already spent?
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u/Grainis1101 2d ago
For some more context 6 viewers is top 5% of twitch, and 5 viewers is top 20% on youtube.
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u/wavecopper 2d ago edited 2d ago
Edit: (I shared an incorrect misconception here)
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u/Grainis1101 2d ago
It is among active streams. And youtube is also for livestreaming. Among users 6 viewers would be top 0.0005% at best
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u/OmNomMonster 2d ago
I never mind having low viewers myself. It's always nice to have a chill chat and talk to people versus thousands of people, causing the chat to go at Mach speed.
Hell, I average like 2 to 3 the majority of the time, and I'm cool with it.
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u/actuallyapossom 2d ago
I have a friend who has tried for a long time to break into twitch streaming after working 9-5 and at first it seemed more like an excuse to have time to game separate from his wife. I felt bad about this for awhile.
Then later it was clear he wasn't even really accessible to his friends while gaming because every time we tried to join him on stream & in game he wanted to do everything possible to try to maximize viewers instead of just connecting with us and having fun.
As far as I know he's only ever had a handful of viewers at a time and that was often just members of the friend group showing up to support him. It's pretty sad for all of us. He makes enough money without an additional income from streaming but he's always been thirsty for the attention and the idea of public success by making himself well known.
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u/evilkumquat 2d ago
I have a tiny YouTube channel and it blows my mind that several thousand people immediately hit "watch" when one of my uploads appear in their feed.
Sure, a larger audience would be nice monetarily, but even where I'm at now is amazing.
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u/TrashDue5320 2d ago
Lmao that's such a stupid way of looking at it. In person, you're limited by the few people around you. Online, you're connected to potentially billions
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u/mr-english 2d ago
What a fucking stupid false equivalence.
"Imagine going to the pub and having 50 people chilling with you in real life at the same time?"
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u/sycamotree 2d ago
Are the 50 people at the pub there to drink with you? No? Then that's a fucking stupid comparison
Obviously 12 viewers =/= friends but it ain't just 12 people existing near you either
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u/BlueCollarGuru 2d ago
I’m not a streamer but one time on Xbox I opened a stream from the console? Anyway, at one point I had 3 or 4 people watching my old ass play destiny and I was thinking “man, what a bunch of losers. Imagine sittin at home on a Saturday watching ME play Xbox”
I wish them all the best LOL
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u/_YellowHair 2d ago
Social media really ruined some peoples mindsets
Agreed, especially those who think having 12 random people (or bots) watch you on Twitch is at all comparable to being with 12 actual friends in real life.
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u/Moonandserpent 2d ago
If you reread, you'll find the word "friend" doesn't appear once in the original post.
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u/Complete-Fix-3954 2d ago
Seriously, I’d love to stream and have just a few people to interact with. I don’t need to be a full time streamer, just a few peeps to kick it with during some playtime seems fun.
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u/Puppet_Chad_Seluvis 2d ago
It's weird how yall equate watching live tv with hanging out with people
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u/VelvetVenusVoyage 2d ago
this is true, 10 consistent and engaged viewers are better than 100 bad ones
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u/JennyferSuper 2d ago
I stream occasionally for fun and I get excited with 4 viewers. I’d probably pass out if I got 12 at once.
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u/111Alternatum111 2d ago
I always think like that when i post something that gets a lot of likes, i try to imagine how big of a room it would take to fill in all the people that agreed with me. I do not do that with downvotes though, i have enough negativity in my life as is, lmao.
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u/Evelyne-The-Egg 2d ago
I had 50 people in my twitch chat!
I had 50 people inside me tonight!
It's all about perspective
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u/bongowasd 2d ago
They're streaming with the intention of trying to make a living. 12 Viewers may as well be zero in that regard. Its still a great step they no doubt appreciate. Definitely different from 0 viewers. But its still not what they're aiming for.
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u/Deep-Confusion-3505 2d ago
from watching big streamers to small, big is just mega parasocial and maybe they read chat every 2-3 hours. Then there is botting. Small is great if you want to be a part of something. 12 view bots or 12 nice people or 12 trolls.
It's just crazy how many people viewbot, taking away exposure to other creators that will never see the light of day.
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u/m-dawg__ 2d ago
I once read in a twitch chat that he watches small streamers so he can interact with them as they read it, if he wanted to watch big streamer he would just go to YouTube
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u/evergreendotapp 2d ago
Good luck getting any of those 12 viewers to respond to your chats and prove that they're not bots.
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u/PixelLight 2d ago
I think it's probably potential audience. Thousands might see your stream in their feed, but that's not necessarily important. I guess it's how many actually watch your stream and then how many stick around because they like you. Friends may be different because you have less exposure to meeting new people.
I know a streamer who gets quite a lot of exposure from being in a lobby with fairly popular streamers. He averages around 9 viewers, I believe. I find him so annoying I find it hard to watch the streamers I like when he's in the lobby. Which is to say despite having significant exposure he doesn't seem to have gained even 20 or 30 viewers.
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u/Squibucha 2d ago
if you even break the wall of having 0 viewers, for most that is the first and last hurdle in their streaming career...
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u/Ulmicola 2d ago
Ironmouse began like that, streaming to less than 12 just because she was so lonely and suicidal she needed to talk to someone in order not to go insane. If it weren't for those 12 people, she'd surely be dead, right now. And we wouldn't have gotten to witness the absolute comedy gold that is the CDawgVA/Ironmouse duo. :P
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u/Mage2177 2d ago
I used to stream on twitch, but I never had an interest in watching others myself.
Was so weird starting out with 1-3 viewers MAYBE compared to when I started having 100+ viewers consistently. I was just like, “I can’t believe 100 people want to watch me play a video game everyday” lol.
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u/Own_Cup9970 2d ago
well, 12 people are seen as small because of 2 things 1) perspective. if you'll compare it with anyone bigger it'll be smaller. obvious shit and 2) it's small because you neither archieved anything nor you can't monetise that. these are not your friends. (an you shouldn't see random people as your friends. it'll do more harm than be useful) they can be compared to audience in cinema. they come there for entertaiment not to hear about your life (and for sure you shouldn't share any personal info but that's hopefully basic knowledge for you)
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u/Ilovekittens345 2d ago
I had 51 viewers on my twitch stream once, preceded by 2 years of streaming with my account, my second account and my mom's account. Followed by another 3 years of streaming with my account, and just my second account.
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u/Dapper_Lord 2d ago
I streamed once and got a raid of 50 people, it was honestly scary for the first few minutes but it feels more comfortable after a while. I kept 40~ for 2 hours and is still a proud achievement
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u/theraggedyman 2d ago
I have a movie review blog that gets 100 views a month. 100 people think it's worth reading!! 100!!!
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u/Swagxdxdd 2d ago
i streamed for 7 years and had 1 viewer at most which was me on phone so i could read chat and 13 followers which were my alts so i could practice saying "thank you for the follow"
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u/Minato69 2d ago
I was just playing scooby doo 100 nights of fright and someone was chilling with me, having even one person there is amazing
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u/growingbodyparts 2d ago
Imagine all the half naked dj girls having 1k people chilling with em in real life
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u/MonsterkillWow 2d ago
I mean last few times I tried to stream, I had zero viewers so I'd take 12 lmao.
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u/smellytrashboy 2d ago
I could be wrong but I'm pretty certain with twitch if you have 12 viewers you're probably in the top 10% of streams. A handful of streamers get most of the viewership. Most streams on twitch have nobody in the audience.
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u/sycamotree 2d ago
If I was rich I would for sure stream for the vibes. Wouldn't even care if I got famous
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u/TheDankestPassions 2d ago
Yeah 12 is way above the median number of viewers the average person on Twitch gets.
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u/AltAccountYippee 2d ago
Been streaming to roughly 20 peeps for a long time. Started a new project and got 120, and I was already so thankful for just 10. I can't imagine having more, nor can I imagine thinking it's a small number. Love my community sm
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u/jrr6415sun 2d ago
But having someone watch you from their house is a lot different than someone meeting you in real life.
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u/IsThisThingOn69lol 2d ago
12 people chillin with you in real time doesn't make any money. people start streaming because they want that twitch/youtube money. 12 viewers aint close. by a lightyear. people can act like they just want to be wholesome, non-materialistic streamers but EVERYONE wants that youtube/twitch money. that kind of money that makes a doctors wage seem like chump change. No streamers want to imagine sitting in a room with their current viewers.
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u/Nijp 2d ago
I remember a loooooong time ago watching a video of a convention panel for a (at the the time) popular group of Minecraft YouTubers (Mindcrack if you are curious). During the q&a section, someone asked about how did they push through the countless videos with only a couple hundred subscribers/viewers. One of the panel members said turn around and take a look around at all the people in the room (about 300ish people). If you have 300 subs you have this huge room full of people who enjoy your videos. It really put into perspective how we can be blinded by comparing ourselves to people more successful. Now whenever I compare how many likes or views something I post to social media gets, I imagine that many people in a room cheering for me, and that makes the whole experience feel a lot more worth it.
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u/ZackValenta 2d ago
Imagine 12 strangers sitting in your room silently watching you play a game and occasionally handing you money. Weird and interesting when you think of it that way.
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u/Ok_Needleworker6900 2d ago
Feels like being a popular streamer is a lonely mountain of fame, glad I can just game with a close friend or two.
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u/Lord_Shisui 2d ago
It's not about chilling with your homies. It's about making streaming worth it and not a completely unreasonable timesink that never nets any returns.
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u/Regular-Freedom7722 2d ago
Yea but i feel like it doesn’t matter when you can have 12 viewers and make .50 cents for it.
12 is nothing. At the end of the day.
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u/Dave-C 2d ago
I was streaming something sorta unique at one point. Some large channel spotted it and my channel got flooded with thousands of people. My follower count skyrocketed. Last time I looked I still has like 900-1k followers. I don't stream any more because it gets annoying when a bunch of people are talking to me.
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u/Senior-Background141 2d ago
12 friends chilling with you in real life is so much more than even 1000 followers in your chatroom. Doesnt even compare.
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u/Regalzack 2d ago
Imagine having just one persons undivided attention, where they aren't glancing at their phone between every word.
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u/Jackal000 2d ago
Well except they are not in that room with you.
Its more like they are casually passerbys. You don't have followers. You just bump into them on a regular basis.
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u/DiabloStorm 2d ago
It's a different ecosystem. This is comparing apples to oranges. It's the internet, we're interconnected globally, 12 people within this scope is nothing. IRL 12 people is a lot.
The real "ruined mindset" is people unable to see the difference.
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u/Agitated_Ad_8577 2d ago
In many cases, those 12 "viewers" are bots. Social media didn't only ruin people's mindset, it's made them stupid too.
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u/Habib455 2d ago
Social media really has fried people brains if they thinking spending time with people irl is the same as spending it with a chat. Yeah, you can get some social interaction out of it, but they’re two totally different feelings at the end of the day. Hell, my friend gets around 20 viewers a stream and his chat is mostly dead, I imagine it isn’t too different from other small streamers
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u/Maloonyy 2d ago
Except twitch viewers arent your friends, this parasocial thinking is honestly kinda dangerous and leads to people not getting actual friends, becoming lonelier and more depressed as a result. Also, its easier to just check out a stream for a while than meeting a friend irl.
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u/Iminurcomputer 2d ago
Wow, I have another take.
Social media has ruined peoples mindset because they think someone making 3 clicks without moving from their chair to bring up your stream and watch, or just slide to another monitor as background, is the same as having people come over and hang out with you... I used to take time and energy to leave, go hang out with someone, and when I did I was present and engaged because I was there, not alone behind a screen doing anything else.
I dont stream so Im not knocking any streaming numbers, but its ironic they mention ruining peoples mindset as though this is equivalent to going and hanging out with a friend.
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u/Tripper1 2d ago
12 is a good day for me. I got raided with 200 once and it's been slow ever since.
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u/Looonity 2d ago
Every time I record I pretend they are all behind me watching.
It didn't get weird till I hit 300 subs.
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u/GleefullyFuckMyAss 2d ago
12 viewers is not the same as chilling with 12 IRL people. Don't even kid yourself. Parasocial =/= social
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u/stupiderslegacy 2d ago
Social media as a broad concept I think is fine. Its relentless monetization is where all the ills arise. Twelve people chilling with you is awesome; the "only" comes in when you view them not as internet friends to hang out with, but as eyeballs to make money off of.
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u/jettbonez 2d ago
There was a stretch where I'd get 10-15 people every stream and I was so happy. Now I can only get 1-3 😭
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u/killgannon09 2d ago
I was streaming destiny 2 for about 4-5 months between jobs (I was looking, they weren’t hiring). I had one true viewer that I didn’t know who would pop in and chat and just spread good vibes. Loved that.
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u/hai-sea-ewe 2d ago
I have exactly one regular follower on Twitch. That person makes my day every time they log on and chat with me.
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u/TheRealBittoman 2d ago
This is incredibly important. It's enormously difficult to get an average of 10 concurrent viewers. It can take years unless you manage to capture lightening in a bottle. This is one reason why a common mindset is to turn off the live view count so you are not always worrying about whether viewership is dropping while live. Just look at the reports later and make changes for the next stream, that will save you a lot of stress.
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u/gamechanger22 2d ago
If you’re getting around 12 viewers on twitch on average that brings you above the top 10% of all twitch streamers.
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u/LeImplivation 2d ago
It's not about human interaction, it's about the money generated from viewers. If you think you'll make streaming your career on 12 people you're in for a bad time. If you just want a fun hobby, 12 is plenty.
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u/No_Examination_9313 2d ago
When your sitting there with your tits out you will damn sure have atleast 12 people will watch you 😂😂 social media has really ruined peoples thought of what being popular is..
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u/HornedDiggitoe 2d ago
12 viewers on Twitch is not enough to pay the bills. But to even get that much consistently, you’d generally need to stream a lot. If someone quit their job to do streaming full time and only has 12 viewers, then they are probably going to fail and waste their time and money doing it.
If you are just streaming as an after work hobby and getting 12 viewers, then that’s pretty decent and much more chill.
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u/Trappedbirdcage 2d ago
I remember the last time I looked into it, there was a stat that was like, "if you can make it to Affiliate, you're already within the top something% of Twitch" and Affiliate isn't all that hard to get if you're making an effort to make something out of streaming. Most people want instant fame, see that it's work, and then quit. So this doesn't surprise me
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u/BarefootGiraffe 2d ago
I think about this literally all the time. I have to catch myself not discounting people with *only* a couple thousand followers
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u/Alexis_Bailey 2d ago
I want to say having more than zero, is already like, top 1% of Twitch channels.
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