r/FluentInFinance 5d ago

$14,000,000,000? Discussion/ Debate

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u/fondle_my_tendies 5d ago

uh...whose job is it to give employee bonuses, hire employees, give cost of living increases, grow the company? That's not the governments job.

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u/slartyfartblaster999 5d ago

It's nobody's job to give employees bonuses.

If you have to give people bonuses then they aren't fucking bonuses are they?

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u/ND_NB 5d ago

You know... you don't have to be kind to others, but it also doesn't hurt. The people who decided to do stock buybacks instead of help their own employees are people in positions of incredible wealth. They had the chance to do something kind, but they chose further enrichment to themselves.

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u/fireKido 5d ago

I mean.. in principle I’d even agree with your sentiment, but thinking this is how the world works is being delusional… people are self interested.. literally everybody.. you can’t expect companies to give out free money just to be nice… it’s never gonna happen… and it’s delusional to think that’s how it should work… if you were in their shoes, you wouldn’t do that neither… it’s not even being evil, it’s just putting your own interests first, which is something everybody does

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u/ND_NB 4d ago

Not everyone, no. The people who wouldnt do that just live normal middle class lives. Getting the kind of money it requires to even be in that position requires you to be greedy and relentless. The qualities of a good human being have quickly eroded and people justify this behavior.

You really think you wouldnt help people if you had 14 billion dollars to utilize? You seem smart enough to rationalize your argument, so I feel confident you are capable of understanding that number. It's more than your entire family tree will earn before the sun explodes 

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u/Successful-Yogurt413 5d ago

Reddit discovers that the world is not a charity, and that most wealthy people operate on the principle of self-interest that got them there in the first place

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u/ND_NB 4d ago

Reddit patronizes people who dont like the level of greed occurring in the world*

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u/Successful-Yogurt413 4d ago

The level of greed has remained the same - in fact, given the breadth of charitable work going on these days, I’d guess actually lower than it’s ever been. What’s changed is that now people feel like they are entitled to the world and everything in it as payment for their mediocre contributions.

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u/Somepotato 4d ago

It's remained so much the same that many legal barriers to the excess greed we're seeing today get eroded. Or did the legalization of them in 1982 not result in a change?

Hilarious to claim it's the lowest it's been when wealth inequality has only widened. That's factually true, unlike your feelings and opinions.

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u/Successful-Yogurt413 4d ago

Wealth inequality ≠ Greed. The fact that the legal barriers were necessary in the first place - and that their eroding gave way to wider disparities in wealth is only a testament to the fact that the greed was always there.

As for remaining the same, I’m referring to periods pre-industrial capitalism. Manorialist plantations fueled by contracted slave labor and kings overseeing leagues of peasants are a far cry from the air-conditioned world of running water and plumbing that you and I occupy today. The unbelievable luxury of the here-and-now has made you forget how bad things could really be, and you have responded to it by growing ever more entitled and demanding of things you are not owed.

You did not work to bring about the comforts of modernity. They are afforded to you through the efforts of those that came before you, an amenity you did not earn and to which you are not entitled. You are entitled to nothing except for the fruits of your own labor. Everything else is charity.

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u/ND_NB 4d ago edited 4d ago

That was an exhausting way of ignoring any point of real value. It doesnt have to be better or worse now for me to point out what's happening now in my life. I also dont have to be poor or well off to have an opinion about societal trends that I dont like.

Also the thing about charitablilty was pulled straight from thin air. In a real dollar value it has not changed. Not to mention the wealthiest 1000 people have become so excessively wealthy in comparison to 50 years ago it's not even close. That wage disparity comes from greed. Who cares if its always been there. Is your point nothing ever changes and we should accept things that are not good? Because you completely disporoved that by discussing how different things are now and how much better off we are today.

You seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing. What is it you actaully believe? That most people deserve nothing, and its everyone for themselves? Because you and I and humanity would not be here if it weren't for working collectively together. Greedy sociopaths have conquered the world. You are either one of them or blind to the fact that you are so easily defending them and putting down 90% of the worlds people. people that might be your family, or friends. Unless you are rich and greedy yourself.

Truthfully in a way I feel sorry for people like that. But I am also disgusted by how easily you would dismiss people. Another selfish shitty human who only cares to be better than other people and looks down on anyone lesser, without a single thought of reaching a hand downward to pull someone up.

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u/Successful-Yogurt413 4d ago edited 4d ago

My point has consistently been that the greed is fundamental to society and that you are entitled to none of the things you associate with greed.

If you genuinely believe that there was a better standard of charitability prior to the founding and continued operations of the red cross, the UN, the salvation army, etc. you are delusional and exactly the person I’ve described in my “exhausting” comment.

The past two centuries, expecially following WWII and globalization have been the most charitable in human history. The fact that the shareholders in a for-profit organization decide not to give $14,000,000,000 in charity does not change that fact, and the idea that someone is appalled by the decision speaks to the level of entitlement and utter lack of self-awareness in modern generations.

You don’t need the world to be less greedy. You need to work to earn the things you want, and be incredibly grateful that you were given so much you didn’t.

It seems you’ve edited your comment, so it’s also worth noting that cooperation is also inherent to human being. Any functional society is one that learns to pit human greed against itself in a way that leads to constructive outcomes.

“My point” is that whining on Reddit that a corporation is operating according to its own self-interest is not one of those outcomes. You are better suited to rallying with others who share your cause and working together to improve your own position, rather than lamenting that others don’t hand you money on a silver platter.

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u/Sasalele 5d ago

lol it's hilarious that people are taking you seriously with that username, i'm sure you agree

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u/street593 5d ago

Bonuses are regularly part of a hiring contract making them mandatory. They are called nondiscretionary bonuses and as long as you meet the requirements you receive it.