r/DecodingTheGurus • u/EdisonCurator • 5d ago
The Dr. K episode is one of the most grating episodes I've heard.
It just keeps getting worse and worse. The hosts were great. But Dr. K is truly insufferable. AAnd he's the first person covered by this podcast that is liked by some of my friends. Matt and Chris, I salute you for sitting through untold hours of his content. Do you guys dislike him as much as I do? To me, he's much worse than red scare.
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u/ClimateBall 5d ago edited 5d ago
That's because you're too kaphta. Drink a mix of equal parts of mercury and lead to adjust your elements.
(Not medical advice. Still, buy my book - Men are from Mars and Yogis from Mercury.)
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u/olyfrijole 5d ago
I can't afford your book. Can I just buy a jar of your farts instead? I'll pay a little extra for a lid that doesn't let the smells out all at once. I need to make it last. Thanks for your consideration.
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u/rsonin 5d ago
Wait... From mercury the planet or mercury the beverage? How can a cartoon bear be from a drink? How far ahead of my elements should I be to adjust them them? Or does that mean I should be setting an example? This is confusing. This makes no sense.
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u/tinyspatula 5d ago
The guy gives me the creeps from the clips I've heard, although the milk chat had me howling.
Also he forgot bat milk
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u/rockop0tamus 5d ago
Same haha he’s like no different from an astrologer it is nuts. At least in that content.
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u/jerryoc923 4d ago
I know I kept thinking that during it like he just reinvented astrology and thinks it counts as medical advice
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u/WasatchFrog 5d ago
How can someone trust a physician who doesn’t know what celiac disease is? In the recording, Dr.K calls it an “allergy”. It is an autoimmune disease. We learn this in 1st year med school. Yet, he thinks eyelids have clinical correlation with pooping. OMG.
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u/BradRodriguez 4d ago
He’s a psychiatrist not a physician
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u/Fellainis_Elbows 3d ago
Many people (especially outside of the US) use physician synonymously with medical doctor
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u/BradRodriguez 3d ago
Hm that’s a bit peculiar i always assumed it was a universal thing that different types of doctors have their own separate title. I mean i guess it’s technically still correct to refer to them as medical doctors since physicians and psychiatrists both have to go through med school.
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u/WasatchFrog 3d ago
In the United States, psychiatrists have medical degrees just like every physician. Psychologists typically have a masters or a PhD. I work in the medical field and I know many psychiatrists who understand physiology, biochemistry, etc. very well. They would not accept at all what Dr. K is trying to pull off. I have met physicians in several specialties, including in surgery , who believe all sorts of weird pseudoscience. They are extremely rare, but they do exist, I think it goes to show that you can find people who are reportedly highly educated in advanced fields and who believe in crazy ideas or conspiracy theories. Think about some of these people with very wrong ideas in the fields of paleontology (scientists who dismiss evolution), physics (theoretical physicists who think that they have the real theory of quantum physics or the Big Bang and everyone else is wrong), meteorology (climate scientists who are global warming deniers), immunology (anti-vax physicians), etc.
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u/DeleAlliForever 5d ago
I’ve really enjoyed a lot of his content. Maybe I’m missing something
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u/Extension-Neat-8757 5d ago
Did you listen to the episode? It was really entertaining
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u/DeleAlliForever 5d ago
I haven’t listened yet. I’ve just enjoyed a lot of Dr. K and he just seems like a genuine dude that’s got a good message.
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u/Weak-Preference-2405 4d ago
He seems like he'd be delightful company as he paves the path to your grave with cobblestones of half-truths and outright dangerous bullshit. He's the embodiment of that whole "type of president you'd like to sit down and have a beer with" bullshit.
Know who I want to have beers with? My buddies. And there's not a single one of them I'd even consider voting for in any election to major public office, and only one (who's a licensed physician) I could justify taking medical advice from. When searching for a candidate for any position that'd have them doing even semi-important work, I value expertise and experience very highly, with relatability and the "fun bar buddy"-factor coming in just about rock bottom on the list.
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u/ExcelAcolyte 4d ago
His woo-woo stuff is a small fraction of his content. Most of the advice from his channel is fantastic.
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u/thinkinting 5d ago
Passer by from first page here. I enjoyed his episode on Dr Mike’s show. I too am wondering if I miss something.
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u/EdisonCurator 4d ago
Give the decoding the gurus episode episode on him a listen. My impression is that he downplayed his belief in Ayurveda in the interview.
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u/Weak-Preference-2405 4d ago
He's a major peddler of pseudoscience alongside legitimate information, which is an incredibly conspicuous and dangerous way to present any information to an undiscerning public. I'm not even saying all his "traditional" beliefs are necessarily wrong; my issue is that he'd promote those beliefs whether they were correct or not, verifiable or not, backed by legitimate scientific data or not, because his BELIEFS are more important to him than his logical deductions or scientific understanding ever could be.
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u/sirlanceb 5d ago
Some of his gaming/porn addiction and stuff about male loneliness and suicide helps some people. It's just his totality of views is just problematic.
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u/littletinydickballs 5d ago
He’s much worse than I had anticipated but i knew something was off from that Dr Mike interview, especially when he started his “i can tell you are frustrated” therapy-speak rhetorical nonsense when he got cornered during certain arguments.
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u/extravert_ 5d ago
I'm 20 minutes into the pod and doesn't seem too bad yet. Will report back
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u/Weak-Preference-2405 4d ago
It gets way sketchier. Just hang in there.
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u/extravert_ 1d ago
Ok yeah that was hard to hear. The over pronouncing VATA and going on and on about how unique and special what he’s doing is, only to recommend drinking yogurt to everyone. What a joke
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u/Alundra828 5d ago
I think Dr. K is fine, and I think he genuinely means well. I think there is a language problem most people can't get past. Including myself.
Fundamentally, Dr. K's philosophy is rooted in marrying western mental health science(?) and Indian spirituality. Which is a really awkward combination because a fucking lot of Indian spirituality is infamously bunk, grifter shit that would not stand up anywhere, even in India.
Dr K. I think for the most part acknowledges that, but also posits that actually, in amongst the dross there was so much dynamism, and experimentation, and evolution of ideas in that space that actually there is some real insight in there that emerged from all of this trial and error that is valuable and can be used to treat people. And the concepts these spiritualists came up with in dealing with things like mental health actually do touch upon things that are medically recognised and demonstrable through modern mental health practices. And although these techniques were much less measured than a modern scientific approach, he believes they did make breakthroughs, and some of the areas explored in those breakthroughs rival, or even surpass what we can do in modern approaches. As evidenced by the fact that our modern approaches just... don't seem to be working. And with that, he's right.
What he does however (which is unfortunate in my view) is that he leans into the spiritualism side too much when explaining these things. He uses words, phrases, concepts that technically make sense, but in the most unhelpful way possible, especially for a mass audience of mostly spiritual and medically illiterate gamers. You have to really listen to what he's saying and factor in a huge degree of nuance to not just think he is a rambling shaman man telling you about how his soulist spirit nirvana breath can heal depression. You have to have the context, and knowledge that when he says shit like Vata, he's not talking about a literal spiritual breath, he's talking about wider concepts that actually exist, he's just assigned an Indian name to it that broadly addresses those concepts. Well, you know what? That's going to go over a lot of peoples heads... he does say ridiculous stuff like that all the time, when he could be saying very plainly "yeah, what we're actually doing is exploiting a human psychology trick to help calm you down and lower stress levels, we know it works through this study x,y,z". It's like he's approaching the nomenclature of it the wrong way round, because I know for a fact he wants to emphasize that these old spiritualists came up with this first, and he wants to discuss the history behind how these people came up with these ideas and why they may be ahead of modern science because he's genuinely interested in this stuff, and his eagerness to do that alienates his audience.
He ends up spewing potentially dangerous pseudo-science in an attempt to marry up these spiritualist ideas to modern medicine, and I think it's mostly a disservice to his mission. I think Dr. Mike sums it up perfectly in his interview with Dr. K when responding to "what is your problem with Ayurvetic medicine?" "It leads to a fundamental misunderstanding of healthcare. It opens room for health gurus and hucksters to take advantage of people."
Perfect. Dr. Mike is absolutely right in every sense there.
But, critically, Dr. K is aware of this problem. I don't think it's his intent to be a guru or a huckster to take advantage of people. He seems to want to help, as he see's the current strategy the west is employing is straight up not working to the point where depression is starting to become national emergencies. His turning to Indian spirituality as a place for answers may be ill advised, but that is a character flaw at worst, not a damning execution of his character.
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u/mandy00001 5d ago
I agree with your take as a Dr K fan having applied some of his content to my own life. I have found that l need to ignore the Ayurveda stuff, although I can identify with some of it it’s also confusing and conflicting. And I need to stay the hell away from ‘good food bad food’ lists. I appreciate that his content is well divided. He brings them together, but also examines them in isolation, so I just choose the secular and evidence based content usually.
I don’t personally believe in karma and dharma, but I like the idea of dharma. It’s helped me figure out what direction I need to go in that will be fulfilling.
I guess I like him over other mental health professionals online because I just like the way he talks, purely subjectively.
He’s not a huckster and he’s pretty careful in my opinion. I don’t think it’s fair to say that he’s ‘opening the door’ to less scrupulous people. Spirituality isn’t my thing, but it has value to many people, and he can jump between both camps, which I see as an attribute not a liability. Spirituality isn’t good or bad, it’s what you do with it, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a psychiatrist talking about the utility of spirituality in peoples lives.
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u/Weak-Preference-2405 4d ago
Re: the whole jumping back and forth between camps thing: it could be an attribute, sure, but he doesn't use his influence and responsibility in a manner that would make that a reality. He's obviously very intelligent and has a pretty immense collection of knowledge from both camps (which are not diametrically opposed by nature, nor must one pick one or the other exclusively, despite folks' tendency to do so). But the gaps in his knowledge and legitimacy seem to almost entirely lie in the realms of A) consistency of skepticism across the board, regardless of the origin or nature of the idea/belief, and B) even the most fundamental and basic ethical scientific communication practices. He speaks well as a presenter, and can be incredibly charming and convincing when he turns that part of his personality on... But he's a HORRIBLE science communicator, to the extent that he is actively impacting the communities and individuals most susceptible to the snake-oil-peddling side of his shtick in a very negative way.
Unfortunately, most people who listen to him don't have the knowledge base to critically deconstruct and parse out the valuable information from his BS side, so they take the charming and convincing man's word as gospel because he packages it in a conceptually-familiar wrapping and delivers it with a smile.
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u/mandy00001 4d ago
Agree to disagree about him being a horrible science communicator. I’m not into Ayurveda or the spiritual side of his content (although some of it is interesting to my atheist mind and sense of meaning) but I find he that he offers many off-ramps to all sorts of people. Many disclaimers. He highlights when he’s leaving the scientific realm. If he ever changed that, I’d be the first to criticise him.
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u/Weak-Preference-2405 4d ago
I guess. I'm just pointing out facts. Misrepresenting very important and fundamental concepts in medical and scientific fields is pretty much the definition of bad science communication. His manner of communication, though pleasing to the ear, has the opposite effect compared to the result a good science communicator could accomplish. I'd say that makes him pretty terrible at a foundational aspect of a job he voluntarily chose to do. Also, he uses disclaimers when he's aware there is one to give, sure. But his bias in favor of unproven or debunked concepts within Ayurveda because he grew up with them and they just "feel right" is put into very clear relief when he positions and portrays these spiritual concepts on equal footing and importance with the scientific ones, which have not been subject to the scientific rigor and burden of proof that the scientific concepts have, or which have been resoundingly proven false or incomplete conceptually. He conflates things which are not equal, and should not be represented as such by anyone who values intellectual honesty or, well, facts, above feelings and traditions. It's tantamount to the intentional false equivalency created by news organizations to visually (and thus perceptually, to the audience) represent legitimate experts in their fields as equal to crackpot armchair scientists with probably false ideas, just because those ideas happen to align with the agency's agenda, whichever side they're on. In both cases it's dishonest, disingenuous, and actively works against the credibility and general public comprehension of the topics they are discussing. He does the same, except he takes out the comparison part and just presents legitimate ideas as carrying the same weight as ones which we know don't hold water. I'd say that's a pretty shitty thing to do, and contributes to his negative impact on the fields he claims to love, but also actively sabotages in his own way. It might not make him a criminal or anything, but it does make him bad at his job and also kind of a shitty human being.
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u/mandy00001 4d ago
I don’t see a lot facts in what you’ve saus, more argumentation, which is fine as its a nuanced discussion. You’re missing major dimensions in yore consideration though. Do you expect allmental health professionals to remove all non-scientific elements from their communication, like spirituality? Do you just have a problem with major eastern belief systems like Ayurveda and Chinese medicine? How would you feel about indigenous folk incorporating culture and traditional wisdom in their professional sphere for psychosocial development and healing from trauma? Because these elements are important cultural cornerstones that in my opinion shouldn’t be thrown out with the bath water. I just believe that the tightrope walk of everything that Welkom’s scientifically about the mind and mental health, coupled with the non scientific side of spirituality, identity and meaning, is much more nuanced and we would not be served from demanding its total removal from professional practice.
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u/idealistintherealw 5d ago
The only experience I have with him is click-baity titles like "why you should not resist watching porn" or why BPD is temporary and frequently goes away. These ideas are just not the consensus of modern psycology / psychiatry. They are click baity and self serving. When I saw these videos I said "huh, that's weird." and sort of discounted him. As it turns out he has his own MLM-style, vaguely andrew-tate-ish self-help community thing, where he appeals to gamers who are addicted to food, pr0n, youtube, etc. Somehow I am not shocked, and I appreciate the Decoders for doing a fairly balance dive on his material.
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u/mandy00001 5d ago
It’s just an online course, its not an mlm model… and it’s pretty good too, I bought it and got a lot of value from it. There is a user journey that’s completely western psychiatry/medicine. He has a way of explaining things that helps explore shadowy territory with a tour guide. There’s plenty of grounding and education as well as exploration activities. It feels like time well spent. And it’s not intended to replace therapy.
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u/idealistintherealw 5d ago
According to the podcast you can take the courses and then become a coach. To that extent it is MLM-ish.
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u/mandy00001 5d ago
Well, but your job is not to recruit other coaches. That would make it an MLM. The word ‘coach’ isn’t whT makes something MLM-ey. Not sure how I feel about the coaching program for other reasons though, the industry is totally unregulated. But it’s a case by case basis. I know he has strict guidelines on what coaches are and are not, with oversight. Still it seems tricky to me. Maybe it’s just not my thing.
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u/vahavta 2d ago
Look, maybe this was true at one time but it for suuuuuure ain't now and hasn't been for some time, if it ever was.
The courses the comments you are responding to are referencing are what HG calls the "guides" and they're just deeper dive short videos on skills for anxiety, ADHD, and a few other things I can't remember + they have worksheets for each video that are fairly standard therapy worksheets. The videos are set up like skill trees because of the "gamer appeal" which isn't everyone's cup of tea, but they definitely don't EVER say you can become a coach after going through them, not in the advertising and not in a single video on the 2 guides I've completed.
And idk, I think of MLMs as accepting anyone who wants to work for them and being shitty scams where even if there's a "hiring process," it's fake and everyone gets "hired" because half their profit model is getting new hires to "invest." It only takes like two minutes on the HG discord to see that multiple people a week have been asking how to become coaches for months, and they are very much NOT hiring new coaches and haven't for some time. The responses that they give about hiring coaches don't say "but take our course!" like I'd expect an MLM to either. It's a standard "sorry, not hiring, watch the careers page for whenever we are."
I know for a fact not all of the applicants were hired when they last accepted them last year — my husband had a first round interview and wasn't asked back, and I have a few other friends who applied and didn't get an interview at all. Again, standard job rejection. But for anyone they did end up hiring, it's a contract job and they're pretty transparent about that. It's not an investment MLM situation even then.
Tbh, I've been kinda shocked how little research the guys put into this episode. I'm choosing to believe it's that rather than intentional misrepresentation for content.
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u/idealistintherealw 2d ago
It sounds like my second-hand information was insufficient. Okay. I trust your experience. Thank you.
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u/Wonderful_Cry6773 5d ago edited 5d ago
I really like Dr. K. He's a wonderful conversationalist, and I think his ability to illustrate concepts in ways that are engaging; particularly in the gaming community, should be commended.
Dr. K talks a lot about 'personalization' in relation to his therapeutic practice, and I believe his tendency to overgeneralize and oversimplify ideas partially originates from a genuine desire to really connect with his patients on a level they feel seen and understood. He is a truly effective communicator and storyteller, and I can see how this form of communication -- leveraging gamer terminology for instance -- would work in the context of 1-on-1 therapy.
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I can understand why his overgeneralization and misrepresentation of 'Western Medicine' would drive academics and researchers like u/ckava and Matt absolutely batty. And his attempt to position 'Eastern Medicine' as somehow unique or essential is a little embarrassing. It feels like an outdated attempt to bring a unique perspective to the table to make himself and his brand stand out among other content creators.
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u/Weak-Preference-2405 4d ago
His inaccuracies and misrepresentations don't just "drive people crazy," unless you're referring to the folks he's convinced NOT to go down any sort of legitimate psychological healing path in favor of essentially "praying on it." They actively endanger and negatively impact the lives of so many folks who may have otherwise sought out better information if he hasn't caught them before they heard his podcasts.
I agree he's a very skilled communicator, generally. He's just also a HORRIBLE science communicator, and paints a dishonest (and often immoral) picture of the topics he discusses, which he then presents as if that's the only reasonable approach to understanding them, despite literally almost the entirety of the actual experts in their respective fields completely disagreeing with his takes.... Because they're littered with pseudoscientific snake-oil mumbo jumbo which de-legitimizes the very foundations of his arguments. It's irresponsible and unprofessional at best, and in many cases winds up being measurably damaging and exacerbates the very problems he claims to be attempting to solve.
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u/Pidjesus 5d ago
Dr K helped change my life
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u/Weak-Preference-2405 4d ago
He's not completely full of shit, just MOSTLY. It is possible to derive quite a bit of genuine, legitimate information from amongst the nonsense. It's just that most people don't take the time or don't have the knowledge base to separate the wheat from the chaff.
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u/Revan0001 5d ago
I haven't seen the episode yet but this coverage of him from a while back is damning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9lnMqKii_k
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u/Just_Natural_9027 5d ago
There’s something about him that that is extremely oft-putting even moreso than the Andrew Tate’s of the world. Tate is a buffoon there’s no substance there.
Dr. K is more nefarious because he tries to portray himself as an actual guru.
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u/bitethemonkeyfoo 5d ago
Most gurus are self aggrandizing narcissists and it is extremely frustrating. There is a special place in hell for gurus like this. The ones like Dr. K are truly malicious.
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u/waraman 5d ago
Dr. K with ExtraEmily is a really good watch. I've enjoyed the content of his that I have seen, I must have missed a lot of the Eastern medicine talk in the interviews I've picked. I can honestly say he's one of the very few gurus I've picked up ONE good lifelong lesson from, which is good enough for me.
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u/EdisonCurator 4d ago
What was the lifelong lesson, out of curiosity?
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u/waraman 4d ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CWq8wyS90o
This one was like holy shit it is literally me.
If I don't cook decent food before I do the thing that drains my dopamine entirely, I'm going to eat shitty foods that make me feel good. Literally every single time.
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u/TallPsychologyTV 4d ago
I found Bret & Eric to be worse in terms of overall narcissism and galaxy brain-ness. But they’re so far in that direction that it loops back around to being funny.
Dr K. is in the sweet spot where he’s smart enough to know how inconsistent he’s being, but also too smart to go fully off the rails. It’s infuriating
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u/Mroweitall1977 4d ago
Ahhh…I can almost hear notes of “Happiness is a warm gun” among the gathered Marxists…
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u/EdisonCurator 4d ago
Everyone who doesn't like pseudoscientific bullshit is Marxist?
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u/Mroweitall1977 4d ago
Nevermind, I haven’t yet read it all. It may be worth considering a future analogue to your question though. In other words, you may not need to process so much after all. Too logical, too fast, and way too much gnuance. Like, rushing to be a patient person, ya dig? Are you conscious of your conscience more or less these days? American Graffiti is over 50 years old, and just now starting to get real. Can’t you see the signs?
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u/skeeter72 4d ago
I've watched a few Dr. K videos in the past, purely for entertainment value. I'm not sure I see the harm in anything he's done - but I'm sure I only skimmed the surface of his videos.
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u/kuhewa 4d ago
I didn't mind listening to it, despite some of the inconsistencies, the 'hello fellow gamers' attitude, and the freely mixing medical advice and Auryveda I thought he came off better in this one than the previous episode he was clipped using therapist-speak to publicly browbeat his significant other.
I think it is because in this one, as another poster pointed out, he does seem to mean well.
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u/moplague 2d ago
No difference between him and Deepak Chopra or Dr. Oz, and they had bigger platforms.
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u/TheToastedTaint 5d ago
It was unbearable… I had to turn it off after hearing “vatta” for the 100th time with that weird accent
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u/NorfLandan 5d ago edited 5d ago
Lol y'all are so racist. A lot of Hinduism has been co opted by the West to come across as some strange religion with weird sounding Sanskrit terms that you fail to properly try to understand or engage with.
You don't even bother realize Hinduism is both a religion and a philosophy, and that a lot of his "marriage" is an attempt to better explain things. But only when y'all white westerners do it is it legitimized in your eyes.
Dr Huberman realized this and had to rename the practice of Yoga Nidra as "non sleep deep rest".
Meditation practices were seen as bunk up until "Western practitioners" renamed it as "mindfulness", which completely misses the core of actual meditative practice.
Yoga in general was seen as bunk until Lulu lemon wearing white women found a way to capitalize on it via Instagram posts.
I mean the Japanese concept of ikigai is completely different in the West with that fuck off Venn diagram modern
People do not even know of famous Buddhist philosophers such as Nagarjuna who was like Nietzsche..... Except like a 1000 years earlier in his critique on language models and pushing against religious morality. Why is Niestcze praised so much and not Nagarjuna? How about any of the Zen patriarchs, or even Laotze or Juangtze?
The Bhagavad Gita is one the most interesting texts on moral structure and it came before the bible and arguably offers far more than the entire biblical corpus on moral philosophy.
People refused to give breathing techniques any serious consideration until Wimm Hoff went onto Rogan.
But y'all just see a funny indian man using funny indian words and it therefore means "grifter" in your head ..... It's so fucking racist and it misses out on a lot of the actual benefits that can be derived
Yes a lot of ancient texts about many ideas all over the world are filled with quackery but you have to separate the weeds and dig through, but y'all Westerners do not have any fucking patience.
Dr K comes out and says a lot of it is indeed bunk, he has said a lot of ayurveda does not work and the western scientific work to medical innovations is far better but that still doesn't automatically delegitimize to use some elements as a mental model or thought process for research investigation. And after all the bible, the Quran, the old testament, and even God are such delusional ideas yet people still find some use and hope in reading them and picking out the important, impactful elements and relating their everyday lives to it in highly irrational ways. Why, when there is WAY more neuroscientific evidence in working with Hindu philosophical and Buddhist concepts do y'all have to come out and be this violently against it.... Jfc
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u/Biggestoftheboiz 5d ago
Chill.
You have to separate the weeds and dig through.
You can't on one hand say that westerners need to discard some parts and listen to others. And get mad when DTG start discarding some parts.
In the episode they address specific claims made by Dr K. It's not an attack on a religion or culture. Just specific claims.
It would be more helpful if instead of calling people racist you pointed out which claims DTG discarded too hastily.
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u/NorfLandan 5d ago
You need to chill..... I'm responding to OP and posters in this thread comparing Dr K to being "worse than the red scare" and calling him insufferable without properly engaing with his content and information in good faith. A lot of it is obviously racially driven given how often people subtely refer the "quackery" often perceived by the West on the East.
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u/Biggestoftheboiz 5d ago
If your criticism is that people in this sub are being too harsh to Dr K I somewhat agree.
I think he has lots of positive content which is truly intelligent, relatable, thought provoking and helpful. You can preach that.
However I don't think you are really responding to people in this sub. Most of criticism I see is not racist or anti east. Remember the gurus are dismantling dr ks specific claims. People in this sub will be also talking about those specific claims.
If you want people in this thread to engage properly you need to:
A. Agree that what Dr k said in the episode was "chaff" but point to positive examples where he married east and west. Give more positive examples.
B. Stop calling people "obviously racially driven". If you think that the DTG sub is full of racists then give up because there would be a million more places with a million more racist people. This sub has a reputation of being insufferably woke more than racist lmao.
Or C. Start going over specific points where the gurus are wrong since these are the points most people will be thinking about.
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u/EdisonCurator 4d ago
I'm an easterner myself. And I've got nothing specifically against Indian medicine. I hate my own country's traditional medicine as much as any other country's. Are you gonna say I have internalised racism now?
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u/clackamagickal 5d ago
There's definitely a strong Scientism vibe around here that's an outright attack on religion and culture. Some here would gladly trick a hindu into killing cows, or replace kosher with unlabeled gmo/pork products. And of course there's the vax religion that supersedes all other religion.
If you drill down into any particular topic, you'll end up on the side of science, because that's what science is. But when we superficially ingest all this chauvinist Scientism with zero awareness that we simply don't care about cultural distinction, that's gonna end up looking a wee bit racist by the end of the day.
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u/Biggestoftheboiz 5d ago
It must be really fun to make up crimes that some people might commit and then start getting mad and judging people for those crimes you literally made up.
Btw i think you would gladly place Galileo under house arrest for his helio centric model.
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u/clackamagickal 4d ago
Galileo owned up to his shit. Would any inquisitor ever even knock on your door?
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u/Weak-Preference-2405 4d ago
This is absolute horseshit. Every bit of it. Congrats, you're a stereotype. Factually-inaccurate (and super racist in its own right) apologist nonsense masquerading as "guys let's be understanding of other cultures because not accepting provably-false, antiquated religious dogma is just super racist fr" and anti-bias self-righteousness, which is itself biased to its very core.
Congrats. You're a trashy stereotype of a gullible Hindi auntie... Only worse, because you have the broader intercultural exposure and intellectual comprehension of verifiable scientific data necessary to counteract that bullshit line of thinking, but choose to actively ignore all of the parts which contradict your less-than-legit "spiritual" beliefs rather than use them to question the status quo, and use the tired-ass "white people are just dumb and racist" trope in defense of what you clearly know is just straight up incorrect information.
You obviously have WAY too much faith in the average person, assuming they're actually going to parse through the bullshit to find some nuggets of useful information. Yes, most are absolutely capable of doing so, no question, but there's a pretty massive disparity between what they could do and what they've demonstrably acted on in practice throughout history and including today.
People assume those who present themselves as experts to be honest and intent on working in their best interest. This is obviously false, and yet we have this very clear tendency of any large sample of the population to assume the validity of what confident, falsely-trustworthy-appearing con artists and idiots spew in every direction like so much projectile vomit in verbal form.
Now, the "trustworthy-looking" character archetype in the US and most of "Western" society is undoubtedly and probably racist in nature, which contributes notably to the ever-growing population of billionaires by way of scam-artistry and impressively-blatant fraud and libel. It doesn't, however, legitimize everything which isn't that as a result of the nature of legitimacy itself being under scrutiny. That's a false equivalency and deduction, one of many that you tried to fly in under the radar in that utter waste of data you painstakingly wrote out there in an attempt to white-knight an ancient tradition which has survived through millenia without needing your volunteer chivalry coming to its defense. But yeah, you're also super embarrassing to those of us who truly value the good parts of the culture that you both hold in unreasonably high esteem and also denigrate without hesitation when it suits you. You're the worst kind of disinformation-pusher: a self-righteous, race-baiting opportunist who uses their culture as both shield and weapon, who is both glaringly oblivious to their own lacking self-awareness, and also so aware of their argument's faults and foundational weaknesses that you literally got in ahead of it to the detriment of your own argument AND your culture's wider acceptance.
You're just the slimiest of scumbags, and nothing you say from here on out should be taken with anything but a boulder-sized grain of salt until you've done enough legitimate good for either your ancestral culture or chosen/lived one to undo the harm this dumpster fire of a nonsense position could have done if presented to just about any other audience.
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u/Mroweitall1977 4d ago
It’s nice that to make oneself feel better, it only comes at the cost of another, and often one so much more deserving of good things than us. My father would be so proud of my obsession with anti-logical-sympathy.
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u/Adito99 3d ago
I've followed his youtube channel for awhile and most of his advice doesn't rely on Hinduism. It's basic emotional processing and coping strategies expressed in a relatable way. I'll definitely be looking at his scientific claims a lot more carefully going forward but putting him in the same camp as Jordan Peterson or the other "gurus" is a mistake imo.
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u/Federal_Heron_Addict 5d ago
Yeah nah I found Scott Adams, the sensemakers and Mikhaila Peterson more personally annoying. Dr K is good material